That last shred of respect... is gone.
02:10 Dec 20 2008
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This was the unnamed person's response to my message in the entry below:
"Now please, I still moderately respect you, but if you're just going to spout baseless conspiracy theories at me without first doing a bit of real investigation, don't waste your time."
Really, there is no need for such overly personal statement. It cheapens one as an individual. Actually the sort and the nature of your statement clearly shows you have not really understood what I wrote about, but you misinterpreted and twisted it, by associating numerous of untruthful contexts with what I wrote, interpreted it from a very small limited perspective, which shows that its mind still aint ready to understand the actual truth about the world in which it lives, a mind to which its own perception is limitation, be cause it is living in a box, a designed box, being fed false information, and with that is denying the elementary truths, no matter how obvious they are.
I sincerely believe you are the one which needs to do more proper real investigation be cause the level of your current understanding clearly shows you cannot possibly know these things.
I appreciate what you wrote, it was an enjoyable discussion while it lasted, and it is very correct, starting from a lower level of understanding, but the reality in which we live is far far more complex than what your current beliefs are.
I suggest more reading.
In one thing you were correct when saying respect is irrelevant. What really matters is the ability to exchange correct observation and information about our environment, which should have their valid base, and from which both you are not capable of offering.
Dude, that last shred of respect I had for you is gone now. First you want to spout conspiracies like they're based in any sort of fact or reasoning, then you accuse ME of being small-minded and poor in understanding? Fuck that. You've proven yourself to be beyond help. I'm not going to have anything to do with it.
I fucking hate conspiracy theories.
03:42 Dec 19 2008
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I won't say who this is from, but I've been having a conversation for the past few days with another member, and today I got this message:
Everything you say is correct, and I do agree with all of it, but it is all much more complex than that. It is not just that simple the way you see it now. Scientists do study only for their personal gain, and infect for their personal gain only as well. Just ask your self, what about those scientists that designed the HIV in the first place? What about those scientists which use nasty viruses like polio, and HIV, to destroy other nations, or to boost up the economy in their own country, by spreading such viruses through water and air, viciously promoting it as natural causes? What about those which "enriched" our water with chemicals, telling to the not knowing and ever buisy society how it is good for their health, when it is actually very bad, causing numerous illnesses, and destroying body and the mind to that point where it cant recognize anything anymore, but continues pushing blindly in only one way, the designed one, thinking that it is its own choice, because it is not capable to see better anymore thanks to level of the destruction that has been caused to its systems. What about those scientists which destroyed our immune systems in the first place vaccinating us from birth with a cocktail of specially designed chemicals, so we cant defend our selves naturally anymore against anything(viruses like polio or HIV are a piece of cake for a healthy non damaged human immune system), but be addicted to the same "medicines" that are represented as good for us, but are in reality making us only weaker(influencing our minds by altering our bodies), and easier to control and direct according to the idea of the few, those that hold money precious over the human life, over its connection to everything, over its natural grace, and over its capability to evolve, be cause they are degenerated them selves so they are spreading such degenerated ideas and expressions as technology on all the others. There is functionality in the idea of technology and all that it can give to humanity, and when observed it seems to be very useful and the best right thing that ever happened to humanity, but it is not, it is a trap. It is slowly depriving a human from his natural grace, and that is the capability to evolve together parallel with nature. I am not talking some hippy bullshit, living in a forest with animals, sunshine and shit, but about our true nature which is far more functional and glorious from what ever we can imagine now in our current state of divided mind and consciousness. It is that technology and medicine chemicals twisted our reasoning and the way we as humans interact, see and think about our environment. It means to be one with universal energies. It means a complete freedom of ones senses and perception. It means true awareness. But you cant perceive all that if your systems have been polluted and destroyed by "inventions" such as medicine and technology, which are all together only good at deviating our thoughts from the right way. That is why technology, or medicine, are a conspiracy, made to cripple our graceful capabilities, so we can be easily shaped in the idea of those which see us a a tool which can be used to accomplish their own ideas, and which are not noble or pure in any way, but ways of a global empire. It is always the domination of the human process, thought, which has been the only motivation to the creation of all these "useful" inventions, and which are being applied through years in the most vicious way, represented as good for us, depriving us slowly. Internet is only one besides many ways which are doing excellent job in controlling what exactly human mind should know, how much, and with that how should it exactly act. Other ways are fast food, TV, video games, the sex market, ect ect... It is all having such unimaginably detrimental effect on our beings, and all that with purpose.
In short, the idea world of technology and marvelous invention seems to be good only to those which have been already crippled and destroyed by its ways, so they need this prosthesis and which is technology and medicine, be cause it has crippled them enough already, and they are not capable of vision, or walk, with out it, but what they cant see is the vacuous nature of its artifice, which is its true nature, and with that they are being crippled further, and further.
To be capable of understanding this idea, and ones environment better with that, one first needs to learn how to envision the idea of god first, and which is not something very big as imagined by the disabled minds of the many, but it is simply how the things are for each of us, freedom, awareness. This idea of god is being perceived with disbelief in many minds out of that reason which naively accepted the degeneration as its own ways, own nature, degeneration such as technology.
Use the brain not the computer, surf the innernet, not the internet. And that is what opens the massive doors of light which bring all those unlimited possibilities of expression, which are above material, or time, they are the creational energies.
That exactly what technology gave to us, it cut us off from the universal energies, and we never even noticed that, for the benefit of a few degenerated minds, which know only the meaning of money and domination over what they see as masses.
If anyone has the patience to read this, they should easily be able to pick out the glaring lies and bullshit conspiracy theories that have been in circulation for quite some time.
Here's what I replied:
See, I've grown tired of conspiracy theories over the years. It comes with a greater understanding of medicine, the human condition, and the scientific method. I'll address your rather long-winded post point by point, as it'll be easier for me to organize my thoughts.
Firstly, scientists did not develop HIV in a lab. It jumped species from chimpanzees to humans. Chimpanzees suffer from Simian Immunodeficiency Virus. Either by blood contamination or other means (hopefully someone didn't fuck a chimp), it jumped to humans. The virus, like ALL viruses, evolves. That's why there's a different flu vaccine every year. They take a sample of the virus from the year before and make the vaccine from it, because the virus will have changed too much for the previous year's vaccine to be effective enough. And polio was cured my medical scientists. Not created by them.
The 'chemicals in our water' that you speak of, obviously being chlorine and flouride, are only bad for you in quantities MUCH GREATER than what you could possibly consume at any given time. If I remember correctly, you'd have to drink 60 gallons of water in one sitting to suffer the effects of flouride poisoning, and it takes a similar amount to suffer ill effects from chlorine. Flouride, in the amount given in our water supplies (I might add, this only applies to city water. Out in the country, we have electric wells), is beneficial to our bones and teeth. Name one illness that has come from the 'chemicals' in our water supply.
The vaccines given to us at birth prevent us from catching fatal diseases while our immune systems are still developing. Why do you think the infant mortality rate is so much lower in developed countries? Would you rather we lived like Angola or Chad, where only about 75% of the children will survive past the age of 5? These vaccines boost our immune system so we're not left up to the cruel devices of natural selection. Humanity has largely removed itself from survival of the fittest AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. If the human race wants to evolve, like you claim, then we'd have to let 30, 40, 50% of our world's population be decimated by disease, mutation, and injury. Claiming that the medical community is making us weaker disgusts me. Would you rather everyone who catches pneumonia, cancer, etc. DIED? Can you be that heartless? I know this isn't that 'hippy bullshit'. It's pure bullshit. These diseases and mutations were not caused by the medical community. They are caused by the natural mutation of genes.
There is ABSOLUTELY no reason to bring 'god' into anyone's life. 'God' is the reasoning behind the greatest atrocities in mankind's history. 'God' promotes ignorance and conspiracy. 'God' is the reason 50% of the US (not including the scientific community) rejects evolution and believes the earth is less than 10,000 years old. 'God' is the explanation people use when they're too fucking lazy to look for the real answers. The universe is wonderful and dazzling enough without bringing a fictional entity into the equation, and it's no wonder that IQ and religious conviction are inversely proportional.
The brain is faulty. Human beings are not perfect. Our perceptions are pathetically limited and faulty. There is nothing about us that can best a finely-tuned machine. A good friend brought up a wonderful point about the brain, and specifically the "third eye" chakrah. DMT, the most potent hallucinogen in the world, is secreted in the pineal gland, the long-known center of the "third eye". The mind has incredible power to deceive us. Subjective experience is the OPPOSITE of what we need to look for. The only thing we can trust is objective, empirical evidence. Empirical evidence cannot lie. Your perceptions can, and very often do, lie.
Technology gave us the opportunity to truly understand the universe, and it's people spouting baseless conspiracy theories that are attempting to drag us back into the Dark Ages. Our perceptions are what caused us to believe in a flat earth, a geo-centric universe, and led us to ritual human sacrifice in order to appease an angry god who didn't exist. It is technology that allows us to better our society. If it weren't for technology, and the medicines that resulted from them, the world would be one great big third-world country.
Now please, I still moderately respect you, but if you're just going to spout baseless conspiracy theories at me without first doing a bit of real investigation, don't waste your time.
Am I wrong in any of this? Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who knows half of this shit. This is the reason I get so pissed when people refuse to learn. They end up spouting bullshit like this person did, and I have to be subjected to it.
Total Pwnage...
19:38 Dec 14 2008
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I feel triumphant, and I'm going to share this with everyone for no particular reason.
demonlovesyou thought he could play with the big boys in the forum, and has gotten his ass pwned. Here's what he wrote:
Psychic ability or what?
Posted: 13:12:45 - Dec 14 2008
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Common understanding the psychology or psych or psychic science is related to human psych.
which is the outcome of mind force-intellact-and the spirit in celestial and the soul.
And according to this common understanding ha-ha all the basic big laws are borrowed from psychic and spiritual science such as law of cause and effect as newton's third law which is frm ancient times is known as law of karma.
law of relativity, even the distance calculating formulation too is taken from ppsychic science by which man would able to send its vehicle to the moon or the mars and beyond frontiers.
thanks god that still law of chaos sparedd from psychic science to materialistic science.
The psych is the major subject and the one of most important field among five most important fields of human life is explained in spiritual science in VEdas earlier from ancient times. science is only born out come baby of just only 6-7 centuries and it was earlier under the cover of psychic science in western such as alchemy etc.
human psychic field is refered as cover of mind force to the soul, one of five covers explained in hinduism. (Manomay Kosha)
Its institute in modern Universities and still peepal don't liek to accept it as major subject, why? I don't know.
They are standing again the ancient scales of institutions to grow upon in htat line and division one by one.
I bet that within 50 years the psychic science the world's peepal will accept as equallant to other sciences. The things are going on. the human psych is the base of progress of each science. And most important is the conscious. when it lead, everything is controlled.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic
The word psychic (pronounced /ˈsaɪkɨk/; from the Greek psychikos—"of the soul, mental") refers to the ability to perceive things hidden from the normal senses through what is described as extra-sensory perception, or to those people said to have such abilities. It is also used to refer to theatrical performers who use techniques such as prestidigitation and cold reading to produce the appearance of such abilities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic_ability
[edit] Early psychical research
American psychologist and philosopher William James (1842–1910) was an early psychical researcher.The Society for Psychical Research (SPR) was founded in London in 1882. The formation of the SPR was the first systematic effort to organize scientists and scholars for a critical and sustained investigation of paranormal phenomena. The early membership of the SPR included philosophers, scholars, scientists, educators and politicians, such as Henry Sidgwick, Arthur Balfour, William Crookes, Rufus Osgood Mason and Charles Richet.[16]
The SPR classified its subjects of study into several areas: telepathy, hypnotism, Reichenbach's phenomena, apparitions, haunts, and the physical aspects of Spiritualism such as table-tilting and the appearance of matter from unknown sources, otherwise known as materialization. One of the first collaborative efforts of the SPR was its Census of Hallucinations, which researched apparitional experiences and hallucinations in the sane. The census was the Society's first attempt at a statistical evaluation of paranormal phenomena, and the resulting publication in 1886, Phantasms of the Living is still widely referenced in parapsychological literature today. The SPR became the model for similar societies in other European countries and the United States during the late 19th century. Largely due to the support of psychologist William James, the American Society for Psychical Research (ASPR) opened its doors in New York City in 1885.[17]
Today, the SPR and ASPR continue the investigation of psi phenomena. The SPR's purpose is stated in every issue of its Journal—being "to examine without prejudice or prepossession and in a scientific spirit those faculties of man, real or supposed, which appear to be inexplicable on any generally recognized hypothesis."[18]
[edit] Rhine era
In 1911, Stanford University became the first academic institution in the United States to study extrasensory perception (ESP) and psychokinesis (PK) in a laboratory setting. The effort was headed by psychologist John Edgar Coover. In 1930, Duke University became the second major U.S. academic institution to engage in the critical study of ESP and psychokinesis in the laboratory. Under the guidance of psychologist William McDougall, and with the help of others in the department—including psychologists Karl Zener, Joseph B. Rhine, and Louisa E. Rhine—laboratory ESP experiments using volunteer subjects from the undergraduate student body began. As opposed to the approaches of psychical research, which generally sought qualitative evidence for paranormal phenomena, the experiments at Duke University proffered a quantitative, statistical approach using cards and dice. As a consequence of the ESP experiments at Duke, standard laboratory procedures for the testing of ESP developed and came to be adopted by interested researchers throughout the world.[17]
The publication of J.B. Rhine's book, New Frontiers of the Mind (1937) brought the laboratory's findings to the general public. In his book, Rhine popularized the word "parapsychology," which psychologist Max Dessoir had coined over 40 years earlier, to describe the research conducted at Duke. Rhine also founded an autonomous Parapsychology Laboratory within Duke and started the Journal of Parapsychology, which he co-edited with McDougall.[17]
The parapsychology experiments at Duke evoked much criticism from academic psychologists who challenged the concepts and evidence of ESP. Rhine and his colleagues attempted to address these criticisms through new experiments, articles, and books, and summarized the state of the criticism along with their responses in the book Extra-Sensory Perception After Sixty Years.[19]
The administration of Duke grew less sympathetic to parapsychology, and after Rhine's retirement in 1965 parapsychological links with the university were broken. Rhine later established the Foundation for Research on the Nature of Man (FRNM) and the Institute for Parapsychology as a successor to the Duke laboratory.[17] In 1995, the centenary of Rhine's birth, the FRNM was renamed the Rhine Research Center. Today, the Rhine Research Center is a parapsychology research unit, stating that it "aims to improve the human condition by creating a scientific understanding of those abilities and sensitivities that appear to transcend the ordinary limits of space and time."[20]
We eastern peepal do believe in chakras and its edge to make conscious lead upon things to lead Extra-ordinary act of mind force and brain.
Ha-ha even Einstein Quotes Psychic Philosophy:
Albert Einstein Quotes
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"There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as if everything is a miracle."
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."
"The only real valuable thing is intuition."
"Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts."
"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish."
"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school."
"The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is at all comprehensible."
"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education."
"The only source of knowledge is experience."
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
"All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree."
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
"Sometimes one pays the most for the things one gets for nothing."
And here's what I replied with:
Psychic ability or what?
Posted: 13:37:20 - Dec 14 2008
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I'll start this one...
First of all, science does not deal with the supernatural. Anything that cannot be tested cannot be dealt with by science, and will never be science. These may be offered in major universities, but that doesn't make it any more legitimate than theology as a science.
Newton's Third Law of Thermodynamics deals with the impossibility of a system reaching absolute zero and works in conjunction with his Second Law, which deals with entropy and the tendency of heat to naturally travel to an area with less of it (in simple terms). What this has to do with karma I cannot imagine.
Science is not the "baby" of spiritualism, but more accurately its replacement. Primitive interpretations were gradually replaced with more accurate (and more importantly, testable) principles. Funny you should bring up Alchemy, because as developments were made in the field of chemistry and metallurgy, alchemy was rendered wholly obsolete.
I'll take your bet, as psychic studies can never become science, as it deals with things that cannot be tested and therefore can never be submitted to testing or peer review, and can therefore never be considered legitimate science. What would happen instead, is as developments were made in REAL science, and a physical understanding of psychic phenomena was gained, the term "psychic" would in turn be rendered obsolete, as the esoteric and non-physical explanations would no longer be necessary to understand how they worked.
Skipping over your unnecessary copy/paste of a wiki article, we come to your obvious quote-mining:
Albert Einstein Quotes
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"There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as if everything is a miracle."
Not knowing the context, one could surmise that this indicates that Einstein believed in miracles in the supernatural sense, which he didn't.
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."
Again, taken out of context. What he was likely hinting at was that the common understanding of reality (aka universal concepts of space and time) were only an illusion, but were indeed persistent to human senses.
"The only real valuable thing is intuition."
Taken out of context... again.
"Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts."
These are getting annoying. You're using out-of-context quotes to make it seem like Einstein felt people should ignore rationality and look to the supernatural.
"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish."
Einstein is commonly misrepresented using this type of quote. He didn't believe in a personal god, and thought the idea was laughable. He used the term "god" to describe the harmony and beauty of nature and the universe, allegorically at best.
"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
See above reply.
"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school."
Taken out of context again, he wasn't criticizing education as a whole.
"The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is at all comprehensible."
Irrelevant.
"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education."
Again, irrelevant AND out of context.
"The only source of knowledge is experience."
Out of context. (You see why quote-mining is a bad thing, right?)
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Irrelevant.
"All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree."
True, but once again, irrelevant.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."
Again true, but still irrelevant. Besides, Einstein didn't believe in a personal God.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
"Sometimes one pays the most for the things one gets for nothing."
Both irrelevant. What, exactly, was the point of all these???
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thefeeder
14:02 Dec 26 2008
Brilliant! I picked up a Silver Ravenwolf book once, read half a chapter and put it down. The I gave it away.
I do however like Ann Moura, and Konsantinos